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What can the dynamics of music teach us about navigating today’s complex world? The Power of Music Thinking podcast dives deep into this potent analogy. Host Christof Zürn, founder of MusicThinking.com, explores how concepts like listening, tuning, rhythm, and improvisation translate into powerful tools for business, creativity, and leadership. Through engaging interviews with global thought leaders, designers, entrepreneurs, and artists, discover practical ways to improve collaboration, spark innovation, and lead teams more effectively. Learn how to listen differently, find your team’s rhythm, and embrace improvisation in the face of uncertainty. And there are special episodes around a theme or experiment. For anyone fascinated by the intersection of creativity, strategy, and human dynamics – subscribe to The Power of Music Thinking.
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Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Leading an Orchestra of Leaders with Harvey Seifter - Part 1 - Music Thinking
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
This episode is about art, innovation and leadership.
What is the relationship between art-based learning, innovation and co-creation? How do you lead an ensemble of leaders? And why do people often use the metaphor of a conductor when discussing leadership? Or, is a conductor actually just a middle manager?
So, today we are in New York and talking with Harvey Seifter. Harvey is the founder of The Art of Science Learning, a US National Science Foundation-funded initiative that uses the arts to spark innovation in science, technology, engineering and education.
And Harvey is also a classically trained musician and formerly served as Executive Director of the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra. The only orchestra in the world that rehearses and performs without a conductor.
Harvey shares with us insights on giving directions as a ‘decision maker of last resort’ - as he calls it - stimulating co-creation and what this means for the innovative power of the organisation.
Well, you can say we have learnings here for any organisation.
By the way: we recorded this episode via Zoom when Harvey returned just a few days from his Ted talk in Madrid; before the talk, he lost his voice and finally did the TED talk without repetition.
To spare his voice and energy, we stopped the recording at a certain point and agreed to have a second conversation in the very near future.
So listen to Part One with Harvey Seifter and how you lead an orchestra of leaders.
Show Notes
- Connect with Harvey via LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hseifter/
- Orpheus Chamber Orchestra: https://open.spotify.com/artist/35pZsti1RSA5Zv98jAm8kX?si=FIjGn4yeTPKzZvD46PTdVA
- Art of Science Learning: https://www.artofsciencelearning.org/
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